But the uniform refusal to comment from the church leadership is suspicious. "There are no terms to describe what has happened here other than sin. I will say this with as much humility as I can muster at this time.The letter from FBCN was a lie! How about Luke 16:11 So if you have not been trustworthy in handling worldly wealth, who will trust you with true riches? Men who run a church into so much debt that it is soon bankrupt with one plague of pestilence, why do we believe Jesus gave such man any true riches or wisdom at all? ", Dorrill said there had been "a concerted campaign of misinformation filled with destructive and divisive content." Dorrill also serves on FBC Naples finance committee. Certified Public Accountant, For nearly two weeks, Christian social media has been atwitter with commentary over whats being called The Asbury Revival at, Arizona Pastor Blows the Whistle on Andy Stanley, Robby Gallatys Glowsticks Are Not the Problem, Video: JD Reports on Critical Race Theory Tearing Apart SBC Megachurch, Southern Baptist Youth Pastor Fired for Questioning Near-Death Experience Teachings. No, Again. I am sickened by the way he was treated and am grateful for this exposure. He and his wife and his children love God and Gods people. Wickers hopes for a smooth transition have been dashed. Also, any comments with profanity, name-calling, and/or a nasty tone will be deleted. Wicker responded with a 16-page letter refuting the charges against him. close to Wicker, contacted Pulpit & Pen with disturbing details However, he stated, In the 22 years I was there (FBC Naples), I never heard a racist commentever. "Marcus Hayes, a highly respected and a well-qualified pastor, remains the man that we believe God has called to be our next pastor," Dorrill said to a standing ovation from the congregation. What does this say about Big Eva? On the surface, Marcus Hayes is a highly recommended pastor who is seemingly qualified for the role. Caudill said no one replied to his letter. Allegedly he said he was happy to see some people in SBC membership moved to the bottom as others move to the top. Power plays, power trips and finances will have repercussions on Judgment Day.or did certain people forget about that?!. First Baptist Naples has a byzantine process that allows the pastoral staff to recommend to the deacons the expulsion of a member. The judge in the case withheld a conviction but gave Dorrill a $10,000 fine and three years probation. the group wrote. Experienced first hand Church Bullying, Over blown egos, inability and refusal to be biblically teachabe. Select the event you would like to attend below: FRIDAY, Dec 9 (7pm) NO RESERVATIONS AVAILABLE. Namely Hayes Wicker. Thats what REALLY happened. First Baptist Naples is, ethnically, a predominantly white church but we are not a racist church.. Gretchen Church, who said on Twitter that she has been a member of First Baptistfor more than 17 years, tweeted that racism had nothing to do with voting. Jonathan Head November 26, 2011. You would call Martin Luther King an Uncle Tom Im sure. Instead he was charged with this amorphous set of wrongdoings that were later largely or totally shown to be untrue. The whole clergy-laity distinction, senior pastor, associate pastor, the professional, or called into the ministry Christians is not found ANYWHERE in the New Testament.NO WHERE! Two weeks later, Garippa started another church called The Naples Gathering. Just like there are women who are pro-Gloria Steinem feminists, and there are women who are not fans of Gloria, black people are capable of holding differing opinions too. Doesnt the Holy Spirit operate in us as individuals? Get new articles and breaking news delivered to your inbox. Thank you. Concerned Members of FBCN says the petition received 800 signatures. their sin. As managing editor of the former Florida Baptist Witness (state paper) I was witness to many of Hayes Wickers years of fruitful ministry. @Michelle I believe you make valid points. "A portion of the 19% that voted against Marcus Hayes did so based on racial prejudices," Executive Pastor John D. Edie wrote in an Oct. 31 letter to the Southern Baptist Convention. But I dont see how the spirit of God can move among those people, unless they are willing to understand what has happened and admit that what they have done is absolutely atrocious, ungodly, unjust, and even in violation of their own bylaws.. Come see the Living Christmas Trees. fell short of the 85% vote required to install him as a pastor. Where in the N.T. In closing, I dont desire to argue with anyone; i have nothing to gain. It provides an identity for its most passionate acolytes. There is no room in our Gospel for racism, none whatsoever. Considering slave owners slept with slaves (even in my own ancestry), whites befriended their black help all while denying their equal rights it is possible to have friends and even spouses of other races and still have issues with bias and prejudice. This is nothing new. Hayes, a member of the North Carolina executive committee of the Southern Baptist Convention,garnered endorsements from other church leaders, including the president of the Southern Baptist Convention. Our leadership has gone astray, I fear, and those who find the courage to stand up to them have targets on their backs. "Unfortunately our church familys business has become fodder for spotlight-seeking bloggers and others who are commenting about Christians whom they do not know personally, and slandering a church that they know little about," Sonya Stearns, a member of the church, said in an email to the Daily News. Not lies. It stinks to me of Greed. It isnt white people who have turned on the evil and hate. Our Vision. However, according to a group of 30 to 40 Concerned Members of FBCN, which includes several former deacons, racism had nothing to do with why pastoral candidate Marcus Hayes was rejected as pastor. Regardless of what specific concerns were held, its important to know that 1) no evidence of genuine racism on the part of those holding them has surfaced, and 2) the efforts these members made to ask questions and express reservations were not taken seriously. Been here 25+ times. *Please note that the preceding is my personal opinion. ".for my house will be called a house of prayer for all nations." Isaiah 56:7 Need Prayer? This remains an elephant in the room at every worship service at that church. So much for giving church members the benefit of the doubt. Former deacon, Blake Crawford, said Wicker was later exonerated of the charges in the anonymous letter by church accounting firm, Phillips Harvey Group. Specialties: First Baptist Church Naples is a church family that is unified on several basic theological understandings, which are based in our understanding of God's Word. . The Marcus Hayes vote was used to cry wolf. If this were a Calvary Chapel organization, or any other offshoot of Chuck Smiths piracy, no one would be surprised. Again, more lies and half-truths. We have read so many of our traditions back into the New Testament, and tried to make them fit. While methods may change, our commitment to Biblical doctrine is a non-negotiable. What have we done, indeed? I do not intend to allow blackmail to prevail at this point and would hope that you would support me. The Roys Report seeks to foster thoughtful and respectful dialogue. "And, as a result of that, there have been groups who honestly feel a little disenfranchised. Takeaway: So much for a democracy. God used their faithfulness and devotion to create a mighty ministry through FBCN. Bonnett told the Daily News in an email Wednesday no revote has been scheduled. Giving. *I use scare quotes because the Woke phenom is only relevant in a certain context: it is very Americentric (talking like all white people are the same, for example), and not culturally or ethnically sensitive at all when on looks at the ethnic makeup of the church IN OTHER COUNTRIES. Publisher Log-in Here is a prime example of CRT. ", Two members of the counting committee, he said, have admitted to leaking confidential early voting results from Saturday night to a lay leader in the church "who then used that information, we believe, to compromise the process.". He didnt have the experience. To that point, no group had met with Hayes or the committee privately, Dorrill continued, before adding to applause from those gathered at the Q&A session: "This will continue to be a transparent search. We are so glad you've chosen to join us. to be clear. I am Caucasian from Eastern Europe. Hayes, a black man married to a white woman, Second, Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. encouraged color blindness. action has been taken to enact church discipline on the dissenters because of Been here 25+ times. When that man runs out of money before completion what is everyone going to say? Havent hurt enough yet. A lengthyOct. 24 email signed by the "group of concerned FBCN members"and obtained by the Daily News was titled "Concerns Surfacing About Compatibility with Marcus Hayes." Two days after the meeting with Pastor Edie and Chairmen Boone and Collier, Wicker said he was told to vacate church premises immediately. Hi. Multiple sources claiming to be from FBC Naples have reached out to Pulpit & Pen and Reformation Charlotte and we are currently assessing the accounts of these individual. Would highly recommended." - Tabitha C "Better prices than other sites." - Diana E. Doesnt matter what denomination or race you are, all of this drama is toxic on a nuclear level for the body and spirit and surely the work of Satan himself. He also didnt meet the qualifications for the job. Check the upcoming First Baptist Church - Naples schedule for concerts, shows, and events in 2023-2024 to find the best tickets for all events at First Baptist Church - Naples. Sylee Gibson, an excommunicated member who works in law enforcement, added that the man chairing the FBC Naples senior pastor search team is a Florida businessman with a checkered pastNeil Dorrill. DWCF. (Lets not even get into the bullying by church staff) Lets just focus on the by-laws for one second. Budget Crisis at FBC Naples? Freelance journalist Josh Shepherd writes on faith, culture, and public policy for several media outlets. No church creed has ever taught the nonsense that had become so pervasive in evangelicalism. Wicker said in late October, when FBC Naples excommunicated the 18 members, it also stopped paying him his severance. A representative from the Collier County Sheriffs Office also confirmed that FBC Naples contacted them on July 3 regarding a suspicious incident., Wickers daughter, Allyson Stephens, said that on September 13, two detectives visited her home and questioned her about the Voices of FBCN email. 1-877-582-9246. . The situation at FBC Naples should serve as a solemn reminder to church members everywhere to ensure that their by-laws provide church members biblical protections from rogue staff members who would seek to dominate their church. Dorrill near the end of a Nov. 2 service told the congregation that "the integrity of our election last weekend was compromised. And this statement was made by an African American pastor on Moody Radio. FBA is a discipleship school dedicated to preparing the next generation to serve in God's Kingdom. We've got a Bible & Life Group that's perfect for . More: Read the letter from the church to the Southern Baptist Convention, "Our Pastoral Staff and leadership are deeply grieved and embarrassed," Edie wrote. Location Berean Baptist Church is an independent Baptist church located in the beautiful community of Naples, Florida, just south of Ft. Myers. I certainly agree with you wholeheartedly, Grant. With two young children at home, she dedicated her time to being a stay at home mom until 2007 when the Lord opened the door for her to be a preschool teacher at First Baptist Academy in Naples. Instead of the transition period Wicker announced, the staff strong-armed Wicker out after over a quarter of a century of service to the people of FBC Naples, sources told the Capstone Report. We reached out to Phillips Harvey Group and FBC Naples to confirm, but they did not respond. Marcus Hayes, an African-American who is on staff at Biltmore Church in the Asheville, North Carolina area, was the candidate. First Baptist Church of Naples Florida Openly Admits Congregational Racism October 30, 2019 by admin In a recent story from Religion News Source (RNS) it was revealed that First Baptist Church of Naples, Florida, failed to elect a new pastor because he was black. I can tell you unequivocally racist did NOT play any part in the actions of decision of the excommunicated members of FBC. SUNDAY, Dec 11 (7pm) In 2001, Dorrill pled guilty to racketeering conspiracy charges in connection with the Stadium Naples corruption scandal. JD Greear and his woke cronies attempted a coup at FBC Naples and were thwarted on a grand level. Last Christian Rocker Posts Stunning Response to Recent Apostasy of Christian Leaders, Chicago Radio Host & a Former Bodyguard Say James MacDonald Asked Them to Arrange Murders, James MacDonald Took Millions from Harvest & Now Demands Broadcast Ministry, Mancow Airs Shocking Comments By James MacDonald: My Response. Roku Live Streaming, Copyright 2023 ITP Productions, Inc. dba ChristianWorldMedia.com, All Rights Reserved, Welcome to First Naples! No One Knows. Our constitution and bylaws stated that a Senior Pastor must be affirmed by at least an 85% or higher vote. Selected and edited comments from an article by Carl Trueman, Revoice, Evangelical Culture, and the Return of an Old Friend (July 31, 2018). This sequence of events raised many questions for me and my wife, Caudill said. This is why I dont attend a church and work on my relationship with God on a daily basis. FirstNaples.org My Account Login But we are not merely ambassadors. We live in UK now as did Naples Baptist 1st Associate Minisiter but come to Naples Baptist every Dec/Jan. ", When asked during the Q&A session whether he considers himself a conservative, Hayes said he is "as conservative as they come.". At the end of the service we found the pastor in The Commons area. SBC Elites cite distinguished lawyer and Southern Baptist Matthew Martens; however, Martens has written persuasively, Supporters of a constitutional amendment to ban women pastors in the Southern Baptist Convention (SBC), New intel points to Covid origin in a lab leak, remember when this was a, NAMB PR VP Mike Ebert emerges as key witness in McRaney v. NAMB What will, Briefing: What You Need to Know About the First Baptist Naples Crisis, Neo-Marxist Southern Baptists turn Stalinist after election defeat, Who Can Preach? Editors note: This story has been updated to reflect accurate information regarding the participants at a meeting of FBC Naples leaders on April 23. @Bernie Lutchman you are so correct. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive a copy of Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. If this pastoral candidate supportes a book that divides the church along ethnic lines and stirs up divisions in the body of Christ, it is sad that he received as many votes as he did. Soon, one way or another there will be a woke pastor in the pulpit of FBCN. Despite this track record, Wicker said he was shut out of the new pastor selection process. The first to plead his case seems right, Until another comes and examines him. Hayes pastoral appointment of doing so out of racial prejudice and announced that The shooting drew national headlines, outrage and questions about whether race factored into the officers decision to open fire. Numerous now-former church members have been purged from the church membership roll. It seems rather patronizing to minorities to assert that every minority persons ideas must be legitimate because the propounder is of a certain colour. Wicker called the allegations appalling., We reached out to Boone, specifically asking about the allegations mentioned in the video, but he did not respond. We likewise contacted SBC President J.D. is a pastoral search committee? However, Mancini added that the situation at FBC Naples was not typical but did not want to comment on the unique circumstances at the church. Opinion: What is Revivaland is it Happening at Asbury? But more importantly, Ericksen said, members feel their voice isn't being heard by church leaders. First Naples || Livestream - Streaming live from Naples, FL. **Statements about the actions taken by FBC Naples leadership assume the fidelity of Pulpit & Pens inside source. "First Baptist Naples is, ethnically, a predominantly white church but we are not a racist church." Caudill said no one replied to his letter. I lived it. Since the failed vote, other allegations have surfaced. More Emails: FBC Naples Concerned Party Defends Itself Against Accusations of Racism, VIDEO: A look at the problems at FBC Naples, FBC Naples Insider Speaks Out About Alleged Racism and Unbiblical Excommunications at FBC Naples, Leaked Emails Show That FBC Naples Members Had Serious Concerns About Marcus Hayes Biblical Qualifications. And second, Mr. Hayes did nothing to convince me that he would embrace me as a disgraced member of the church. He hopes Give Online. In his quote-tweet, Hayes said Roberson was in his student ministry while he was a youth pastor in Chicago. First Baptist Church Naples. It is time for the SBC to do what they should have done first, before concluding who was right: Shine the light, Brothers, shine the light in here. Racial prejudice a factor in rejection of black pastor, read the headline of a piece published in the Baptist Standard. Does my agreement with Dr. King and my deep concerns about intersectionality, et al, make me a racist? I have no hate here. It noted that Hayes had unfriended or blocked several people who had signed the petition on his social media accounts. Pastor Hayes is the Pastor. Many church members are staying silent because they fear their children will be kicked out of the Christian school run by the church. One Denomination that claims to hold the Christian faith to avoid is the Southern Baptist Churces and their affiliations. FBCNaples | Naples FL If there is any racism its from Pastor Hayes and his endorsement of Woke Movement. It may interest you to go over to TWW and read their article, as well as the comments from members of that church who state they were unfairly misrepresented in their vote against this new pastor. Sadly, too many people are more committed to idols than to truth and righteousness. The church staff alleged that racism was behind the rejection. I just wish so many from my former church would open their eyes and see whats going on. Just because no one blatantly used a racial slur or expressed overtly racist statements does not mean that racism was not expressed or used during the selection process. The separation was hardly amicable. Who Will Pay for the SBCs Abuse Reforms Over the Long Term? Dorrill said at the Nov. 2 service thatdisciplinary action "towards church members who have violated our church covenant by causing dissension, disruption and spreading of misinformation have been taken and are underway. Hayes Wicker was the pastor of First Baptist Church of Naples (Florida) for 27 years. We reached out to leaders at FBC Naples about a dozen times, seeking evidence for the racism charge, as well as comment on other issues at the church, but no one responded. The churchs However, the email also expressed concerns about Hayes ability to reconcile the deeply divided church. "It seems all cops ever see is black," the attorney continued. I can tell you not a single thing mentioned above played a role in my vote. The church did not hold a reception to honor Wickers decades of ministry, nor was Wicker permitted to address the congregation. He said the church was hopeful that Hayes would allow his name to be reconsidered as the church's next senior pastor or interim pastor. church as large as FBC Naples. Dorrill did not elaborate on how the process was compromised, and Bonnett did not answer emailed questions about the matter. 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